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Re: AD2, MH-PartyCrashers and MH-Mesopheric

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 pm
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I think my last posting attempt broke the topic so let's try this again.


- Mesospheric -

Original and pretty good all around. Players should love it. Cool

Biggest issue is that the map is easily rushed, just jumping over the barrier next to the queen.
I was going to suggest making the grass bridge appear later, but it's probably not too hard to get pushed to the other island from a monster rocket and ignore the bridge completely.
In short you need more distance between the 2 islands.
Then I suggest you replace the bridge and barrier with 1 or more little floating islands that move in when it's time to go. :3

Quick tour of the other remarks:

- is the white square corona in start room intentional? (it even crashes my UEd in software mode)
- "surprise =)" button just bumps on my face
- lots of texture align needed on curved stairs and columns. I volunteer if you can't be bothered
- dunno if intentional but I love the
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for dodging, more would be nice!
- is tentacles' projectile intended to be useless?
- relics could use some effect when players reach them (activation, disappareance, whatever but something Razz)
- not sure why it happens but pretty nice that the players are credited for the kills when monsters fall off the map
- need zone light in waterzones (and stone texture instead of grass at bottom)
- "Shiny item discovered!" messages don't stay on screen
- the trigger that unlocks the last island is easy to miss, should have same collisions as the jumppad
- nothing in the "mega secret" near the big krall (coming soon? :Zwinker:)
- the jumppad in the cave needs some texture or effect to make it visible
- on titans' island, the underground passage that never opens is confusing for players (coming soon too I hope Razz)
- would be nice to have a secret/reward when you manage to land from a jumppad on the giant crystal or the stone circle above it
- spawned flies can be hard to find for map clear (and flies are not very rewarding to hunt anyway, they should spawn faster and/or have more health)
- like AD2, skybox has some missing stuff online
- monsters were okay I guess, maybe a little easy for bigger teams
- I'd love the map to be longer with more islands but that surely means framedrop, and I didn't have any at this point, which is very good for an open map.

3 more general remarks:

- I think your buildings would look A LOT better with other textures (SkyCity, or maybe ChicoRuinsPack), and a liiiittle more detailing on the architecture, though I'm painfully aware it's easier said than done.
I like the wizard hat shaped roofs though Razz
- As alternative songs to Mech8 & Aryx, I would recommend blue_aura_b (MH-SkyCorebeta, MH-UM-BlueTown), ds_can_u_b, and/or, ds_ga (both in MH-AndromedaAncient).
- After playing the map I don't find much point in the introduction area (UTTech1). You could have started directly on the island and put the logos there, though I guess you miss the cool stargate jump effect.


- PartyCrashers -

This one is more conventional, and reminds me a bit of Purgatorium.
Was it a contest rule to fit the map in a 4096 cube? This dense layout is visually nice but creates gameplay problems with monsters waking up way too early, especially Titans (shakeshakeshakeSHAKEshakeshake), though they could be made to spawn later, and of course: rushing.

Like I remembered, this one too can be rushed, if you jump from the tower to the lower left wall.
I suggest you disable the MonsterEnd until the grates around it are down. If someone gets there earlier you can give him some prize and teleport him back at start (on the other pentagram!), or kill him, or anything in between.

Other remarks:

- cool action at the beginning with constant pressure from respawning monsters, similar to MH-Pol1-Frigid (pity it eventually stops though, but if not the map would be very hard to solo, so I guess the current setting is fine)
- queen comes at players before they even get to the tower, that seems early
- the game/server gets all weird, laggy and drunk with 250 pupaes spawning at the same time. 100 would be okay I guess
- the "secret opened" message is confusing (makes you look for something that didn't happen), it should say "secret found", also:
> the one at start is useless on dU (no invis, dunno what you could replace it with)
> the one in tower is not needed, you already had that message before teleporting
> the one at belt feels a bit cheap
ironically, the only time you really want to hear it is when you unlock the redeemer & esr, and it's not triggered there lol (and doubly ironic since it's where the special event is located)
- also no esr on dU (replaced with rocket launcher), but a deemer is cool already Razz
- how about adding unpassable windows/grates between the redeemer/esr and teleporter corridor for coolness? Cool
- is it intentional that the 2 pentagram movers are solid instead of non-solid? (colliding them feels weird since they're just decoration, also when colliding them you hear spikegates sound in the distance O_o dunno why)
- no boss music?
- boss sprite is not visible online, same for campfire smoke (both fixable)
- no laugh sounds from boss online (not sure how to fix that one)
- it's possible to touch the button that unlocks the end without touching the actual trigger (button itself does nothing). You should either have the trigger activate the button, or remove the trigger and set the event on the button. Personally I would choose the latter, for all 3 buttons of your map.
- typo on message: "HOPE YOU LIKED YOU MAP. REGARDS TERRANIUX"
- a player pushed by a monster rocket at the minigun location can reach the final area and call the boss at the beginning of the map. Fixable by using the "finalgate" event to activate the "endoftimes" and "SECRETEND" triggers.
- overall, maybe a punchier music would match better with the intense action

2 more general remarks:

- even though players will get used to it, I think the super secret (redeemer+esr) needs some kind of clue to make it expectable.
I briefly considered the "secret opened" error on other secrets a good occasion to turn these secrets into a counter for the super secret, but then by the time it's complete you don't need the deemer anymore. :\
Same thing for collecting pumpkins around the map.
I think the current moment the deemer is unlocked is perfect (boom pupaes & skaarjs), it just needs that clue, and I  don't really have an idea at the moment. :\
- I made a custom monster class to use as boss sprite, to have it visible on radar, display health, and be potentially killable. Already tested online, it's working fine. Let me know if you're interested. :Zwinker:
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:41 pm
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Wow, never got this much feedback!
Whatcha drinking? Beer, or something stronger? They are on me all night!

Thanks!  la ola

Meso

The map was never finished, as this was an contest entry too! Maybe I forgot to mention this, yet I had to call it an final due of the deadline rule.
Much of it I can fix myself, no problem. The big question for me is about the one you asked your self too: FPS?
Much of the points I got pointed out by kry and karl as well.  I will work on it.

Party:


This map was finished and got me first price! Very Happy1 4096 ALL IN. no exceptions.
But never got tested online much it seems. Some of the secrets are working, even though you cant find them, they are pretty obvious. (Hint: backtrace your steps after the message). Some are hidden even from the editor.


If this is not the case, then It used to work and got corrupted after a crash? It did crash a few times. The music for the boss is acronis as in the package, but not working.  Also the music should not be ice, but another music. Much better music, yet I cant find the version! Ill let you know when I find  it: its called HigherbyTerraniux.umx

all-in all small points.

Ok, here is the deal. My current study prevents me from fixing all maps, but Meso is do-able by me over a longer period of time. To make PC big enough for dU is not  do-able for me now.

Any volunteers for editing PartyCrashers for dU? I can do Meso.


Thanks again Demona.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:26 am
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Cheers beer

Honestly, if not for the secrets I would not notice that Mesospheric isn't finished, looks pretty much complete really.

Upon further inspection I do have some framedrop actually though, when looking at big chunks of the map from corners like spawn, but it's not too bad and you don't stay there for long.
I kinda want to see at least one more island, all the way to the left when looking from spawn (= near sliths island), but I'll probably keep wanting more after that (always like this with mapping, and you need to stop eventually) so don't listen to me. :P

The map is fine without more islands really.
If you choose to make more though, keep them very simple or framedrop will srsly start to hurt.




Concerning PartyCrashers, it doesn't need to be any bigger either. I can take care of all the fixing I mentionned if you want, it's not really long to do.
Also I don't think hiding secrets from UEd is something possible. Razz

HigherbyTerraniux.umx is in AD2's archive. And yeah it's livelier than iceworld. Cool
Acronis.umx is indeed in the CMC archive, and used in the earlier version of PartyCrashers that I still have on my hard drive. But imo it's a lame song lol.
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Ok. deal!
Change what you like, even the music. As long it can go on main someday, im more than happy.  Cool
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Hmmm should try these maps on mapping myself but i spectate so i don't know i should test this maps
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